[LDES-coremodel] Recurring meeting tomorrow

Mon Sep 14 12:37:36 PDT 2020

Following up on the last email, here's a summary of costs shared by one of
the presenters of his work in annualized form.

*Technology* *CAPEX (€/kWe)* *Lifetime (years)* *Annuity (€/kWe/year)* *Fixed
O&M (€/kWe/year)* *Variable O&M (€/MWhe)* *Source*
*Offshore wind farm** 2330 30 144.3677 47.0318 0 JRC (2017)
*Onshore wind farm** 1130 25 77.6621 34.5477 0 JRC (2017)
*Solar PV** 425 25 30.0052 9.2262 0 JRC (2017)

*Hydroelectricity – lake and reservoir* 2275 60 110.2334 11.375 0 JRC (2017)

*Hydroelectricity – run-of-river* 2970 60 143.9091 14.85 0 JRC (2017)

*Biogas (Anaerobic digestion)* 2510 25 135.5066 83.9 3.1 JRC (2017)
*OCGT * 550 30 33.7653 16.5 0 JRC (2014)
*Technology* *CAPEX (€/kWe)* *CAPEX (€/kWhe)* *Lifetime (years)* *Annuity
(€/kW**e/year)*
*Fixed O&M (€/kW**e/year)* *Variable O&M (€/MWhe)* *Storage annuity
(€/kWhe/year)* *Source*
*Pumped hydro storage (PHS)* 500 5 55 24.6938 7.5 0 0.2261 FCH-JU (2015)

*Battery storage (Li-Ion)* 140 100 12.5 14.8876 1.96 2 10.3247 Schmidt
(2019)
*Methanation* 1150 0 20/25* 117.9262 75.75 3 0 ENEA (2016)

Also, attached are different european studies which I think are extremely
relevant for both the modeling and the tech assessment subgroups (cc-ing
Noah+Rui).
They include costs, but also their methodology on their learning curves
construction (e.g., 1-factor vs 2-factor from Noah's)

Much to discuss in our next meeting(s).

Best,
Sergio

On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 11:17 AM Sergio Castellanos Rodriguez <
sergioc at berkeley.edu> wrote:

> This is really helpful, Kenji.  Thanks for condensing the info in such a
> useful way.
>
> The discrepancies are quite big, and especially in storage, so this points
> to the fact that we'll both (a) need to update our data, and (b) compare
> vs. E3's sources.
> I didn't see notes on where E3 gather their data from, so I assume that's
> not available (?).
>
> I attended an IEA conference last year and asked one of the presenters for
> the sources he used for his modeling.
> He shared a few documents that I'll pass along in a bit, but perhaps we
> can set this as tasks to divide amongst the group.
>
> Best,
> Sergio
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 3:12 PM Patricia Hidalgo-Gonzalez <
> patricia.hidalgo.g at berkeley.edu> wrote:
>
>> Thank you so much, Kenji!
>> I'll take a look and get back to you and all.
>>
>> cheers
>> Paty
>>
>> *Patr**i**cia Hidalgo-Gonzalez*
>> Assistant Professor, Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering
>> University of California San Diego
>> patricia.hidalgo.g at berkeley.edu
>> (Pronouns: She/Her/Hers)
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 1:08 PM Kenji Shiraishi <kenjis at berkeley.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I wrote a quick comparison of the cost projection of four selected
>>> technologies (natural gas, wind, solar PV, and battery storage) used in
>>> RESOLVE and SWITCH as attached.
>>> Please take a look and let me know what you think.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Kenji
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Kenji Shiraishi
>>>
>>> Researcher,
>>> Renewable and Appropriate Energy Laboratory (RAEL)
>>> 450 Sutardja Dai Hall
>>> Ph.D. student, Goldman School of Public Policy (GSPP)
>>> University of California, Berkeley
>>>
>>> https://rael.berkeley.edu/people/shiraishi-kenji/
>>> https://www.kenjishiraishi.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 8:25 PM Sarah Kurtz <skurtz at ucmerced.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Perfect!  Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 10, 2020, at 7:15 PM, Kenji Shiraishi <kenjis at berkeley.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thank you, Sarah! Then I will compare capex in annualized form.
>>>> Switch uses a 7% discount rate as default. Lifetime of each technology
>>>> is
>>>> - central PV: 20 yrs
>>>> - battery: 10 yrs
>>>> - CCGT: 20 yrs
>>>> - wind: 30 yrs
>>>>
>>>> I will write up a cost comparison tonight.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Kenji
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:31 PM Sarah Kurtz <skurtz at ucmerced.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, Kenji! That is the correct column.
>>>>>
>>>>> RESOLVE doesn’t include the lifetime and discount rate in an obvious
>>>>> place.  We can sometimes find mention of them in a write up, but then they
>>>>> appear to change from time to time.
>>>>>
>>>>> What lifetime and discount rate does Switch use? I think this is part
>>>>> of the comparison…
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for asking good questions!, so even if we find them written
>>>>> somewhere, I wouldn’t have confidence that we know what was assumed...
>>>>>
>>>>> Sarah
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 10, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Kenji Shiraishi <kenjis at berkeley.edu>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Sarah,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for the email. Which column represents the Capex?
>>>>> Is annual_fixed_cost_by_vintage annualized capex?
>>>>> If so, to compare it with overnight cost data in SWITCH, what are
>>>>> discount rate and lifetime of each technology?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Kenji
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 4:09 PM Sarah Kurtz <skurtz at ucmerced.edu>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Kenji,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you’ll find the data for the Capex (not the fuel cost) for
>>>>>> these four in the file I sent last night.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sarah
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 10, 2020, at 4:03 PM, Kenji Shiraishi <kenjis at berkeley.edu>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Pedro,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As we discussed today, it would be great if you could send the cost
>>>>>> related data (including capex) of
>>>>>> - solar PV
>>>>>> - battery storage
>>>>>> - natural gas
>>>>>> - onshore wind
>>>>>> in RESOLVE model?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, I'd appreciate it if you could send the documents describing
>>>>>> the definitions of those data.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Kenji
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 9:59 AM Patricia Hidalgo-Gonzalez <
>>>>>> patricia.hidalgo.g at berkeley.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The ones confirmed for today are: Pedro, Kenji and me? We can go
>>>>>>> over the next tasks and have a 30 min meeting instead.
>>>>>>> Thanks for the updates Julia!
>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>> Paty
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Patr**i**cia Hidalgo-Gonzalez*
>>>>>>> Assistant Professor, Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering
>>>>>>> University of California San Diego
>>>>>>> patricia.hidalgo.g at berkeley.edu
>>>>>>> (Pronouns: She/Her/Hers)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 9:53 AM Julia Szinai <jszinai at berkeley.edu>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>> This meeting also fell off my calendar and I have a scheduling
>>>>>>>> conflict now and can't make it.
>>>>>>>> I can provide an email update:
>>>>>>>> I'm close to finishing the scraping and data cleaning of the
>>>>>>>> existing WECC generation projects and retirements to add for the baseline
>>>>>>>> scenario in the database. This will update the composition of the existing
>>>>>>>> fleet of generation projects to 2018 from the previous 2015 vintage, and
>>>>>>>> reflects an increase of solar and battery capacity, and retirements of coal
>>>>>>>> and other generation. I am completing some final checks and code
>>>>>>>> improvements on some backup database tables before pushing the data to the
>>>>>>>> original database tables.
>>>>>>>> -Julia
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 7:34 AM Sergio Castellanos Rodriguez <
>>>>>>>> sergioc at berkeley.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Pedro, Paty, Kenji,
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the reminder. I hadn't added this recurring meeting in
>>>>>>>>> my calendar and now have a conflict with another commitment.
>>>>>>>>> I know the storage issue with Notion is being addressed, but any
>>>>>>>>> notes sharing from today's meeting will be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also, it's settled that this will be our weekly time then? (so I
>>>>>>>>> can add it on my calendar, or we can use a ldes-coremodel one)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Sergio
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> PS. From my end, the only update is that thanks to Lars/Paty I
>>>>>>>>> have now access to db2 and postgres. I would now only require access to the
>>>>>>>>> WECC db/schema.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 8:24 PM Daniel M. KAMMEN <
>>>>>>>>> kammen at berkeley.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sadly i'll miss the meeting due to a long conference tomorrow--
>>>>>>>>>> but will catch up up with Paty and Kenji afterward
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> dan
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 7:00 PM Pedro Andres Sanchez Perez <
>>>>>>>>>> psanchez30 at ucmerced.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is a kindly reminder for tomorrows meeting at 11:00 AM for
>>>>>>>>>>> the update about SWITCH and RESOLVE:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Here are some of the agenda for tomorrow.
>>>>>>>>>>> - Status of SWITCH
>>>>>>>>>>> - Status of Database
>>>>>>>>>>> - Cost comparisson (Assign)
>>>>>>>>>>> - Action items
>>>>>>>>>>> - Anything else?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Link to the meeting: https://ucmerced.zoom.us/j/98750319783
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Pedro Andres Sanchez Perez
>>>>>>>>>>> University of California, Merced
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> *Julia Szinai*
>>>>>>>> PhD Candidate | Energy & Resources Group | University of
>>>>>>>> California, Berkeley
>>>>>>>> Graduate Student Researcher | Lawrence Berkeley National Lab
>>>>>>>> NSF InFEWS Fellow
>>>>>>>> Energy & Resources Group, MS '17
>>>>>>>> Goldman School of Public Policy, MPP '17
>>>>>>>> University of California, Berkeley
>>>>>>>> jszinai at berkeley.edu
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