[LDES-coremodel] Recurring meeting tomorrow

Thu Sep 17 08:29:24 PDT 2020

This table is a really helpful start on the process of harmonizing the data
for the models.

Some of the categories listed in these tables need some added
definitions (e.g. some of the annuity costs).

I would add capacity factor to the list of key data to compile.

Dan

On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 12:38 PM Sergio Castellanos Rodriguez <
sergioc at berkeley.edu> wrote:

> Following up on the last email, here's a summary of costs shared by one of
> the presenters of his work in annualized form.
>
> *Technology* *CAPEX (€/kWe)* *Lifetime (years)* *Annuity (€/kWe/year)* *Fixed
> O&M (€/kWe/year)* *Variable O&M (€/MWhe)* *Source*
> *Offshore wind farm** 2330 30 144.3677 47.0318 0 JRC (2017)
> *Onshore wind farm** 1130 25 77.6621 34.5477 0 JRC (2017)
> *Solar PV** 425 25 30.0052 9.2262 0 JRC (2017)
>
> *Hydroelectricity – lake and reservoir* 2275 60 110.2334 11.375 0 JRC
> (2017)
>
> *Hydroelectricity – run-of-river* 2970 60 143.9091 14.85 0 JRC (2017)
>
> *Biogas (Anaerobic digestion)* 2510 25 135.5066 83.9 3.1 JRC (2017)
> *OCGT * 550 30 33.7653 16.5 0 JRC (2014)
> *Technology* *CAPEX (€/kWe)* *CAPEX (€/kWhe)* *Lifetime (years)* *Annuity
> (€/kW**e/year)*
> *Fixed O&M (€/kW**e/year)* *Variable O&M (€/MWhe)* *Storage annuity
> (€/kWhe/year)* *Source*
> *Pumped hydro storage (PHS)* 500 5 55 24.6938 7.5 0 0.2261 FCH-JU (2015)
>
> *Battery storage (Li-Ion)* 140 100 12.5 14.8876 1.96 2 10.3247 Schmidt
> (2019)
> *Methanation* 1150 0 20/25* 117.9262 75.75 3 0 ENEA (2016)
>
>
> Also, attached are different european studies which I think are extremely
> relevant for both the modeling and the tech assessment subgroups (cc-ing
> Noah+Rui).
> They include costs, but also their methodology on their learning curves
> construction (e.g., 1-factor vs 2-factor from Noah's)
>
> Much to discuss in our next meeting(s).
>
> Best,
> Sergio
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 11:17 AM Sergio Castellanos Rodriguez <
> sergioc at berkeley.edu> wrote:
>
>> This is really helpful, Kenji.  Thanks for condensing the info in such a
>> useful way.
>>
>> The discrepancies are quite big, and especially in storage, so this
>> points to the fact that we'll both (a) need to update our data, and (b)
>> compare vs. E3's sources.
>> I didn't see notes on where E3 gather their data from, so I assume that's
>> not available (?).
>>
>> I attended an IEA conference last year and asked one of the presenters
>> for the sources he used for his modeling.
>> He shared a few documents that I'll pass along in a bit, but perhaps we
>> can set this as tasks to divide amongst the group.
>>
>> Best,
>> Sergio
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 3:12 PM Patricia Hidalgo-Gonzalez <
>> patricia.hidalgo.g at berkeley.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you so much, Kenji!
>>> I'll take a look and get back to you and all.
>>>
>>> cheers
>>> Paty
>>>
>>> *Patr**i**cia Hidalgo-Gonzalez*
>>> Assistant Professor, Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering
>>> University of California San Diego
>>> patricia.hidalgo.g at berkeley.edu
>>> (Pronouns: She/Her/Hers)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 1:08 PM Kenji Shiraishi <kenjis at berkeley.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I wrote a quick comparison of the cost projection of four selected
>>>> technologies (natural gas, wind, solar PV, and battery storage) used in
>>>> RESOLVE and SWITCH as attached.
>>>> Please take a look and let me know what you think.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Kenji
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> Kenji Shiraishi
>>>>
>>>> Researcher,
>>>> Renewable and Appropriate Energy Laboratory (RAEL)
>>>> 450 Sutardja Dai Hall
>>>> Ph.D. student, Goldman School of Public Policy (GSPP)
>>>> University of California, Berkeley
>>>>
>>>> https://rael.berkeley.edu/people/shiraishi-kenji/
>>>> https://www.kenjishiraishi.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 8:25 PM Sarah Kurtz <skurtz at ucmerced.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Perfect!  Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 10, 2020, at 7:15 PM, Kenji Shiraishi <kenjis at berkeley.edu>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you, Sarah! Then I will compare capex in annualized form.
>>>>> Switch uses a 7% discount rate as default. Lifetime of each technology
>>>>> is
>>>>> - central PV: 20 yrs
>>>>> - battery: 10 yrs
>>>>> - CCGT: 20 yrs
>>>>> - wind: 30 yrs
>>>>>
>>>>> I will write up a cost comparison tonight.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Kenji
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:31 PM Sarah Kurtz <skurtz at ucmerced.edu>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, Kenji! That is the correct column.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> RESOLVE doesn’t include the lifetime and discount rate in an obvious
>>>>>> place.  We can sometimes find mention of them in a write up, but then they
>>>>>> appear to change from time to time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What lifetime and discount rate does Switch use? I think this is part
>>>>>> of the comparison…
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for asking good questions!, so even if we find them written
>>>>>> somewhere, I wouldn’t have confidence that we know what was assumed...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sarah
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 10, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Kenji Shiraishi <kenjis at berkeley.edu>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Sarah,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for the email. Which column represents the Capex?
>>>>>> Is annual_fixed_cost_by_vintage annualized capex?
>>>>>> If so, to compare it with overnight cost data in SWITCH, what are
>>>>>> discount rate and lifetime of each technology?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Kenji
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 4:09 PM Sarah Kurtz <skurtz at ucmerced.edu>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kenji,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think you’ll find the data for the Capex (not the fuel cost) for
>>>>>>> these four in the file I sent last night.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sarah
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 10, 2020, at 4:03 PM, Kenji Shiraishi <kenjis at berkeley.edu>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Pedro,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As we discussed today, it would be great if you could send the cost
>>>>>>> related data (including capex) of
>>>>>>> - solar PV
>>>>>>> - battery storage
>>>>>>> - natural gas
>>>>>>> - onshore wind
>>>>>>> in RESOLVE model?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, I'd appreciate it if you could send the documents describing
>>>>>>> the definitions of those data.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Kenji
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 9:59 AM Patricia Hidalgo-Gonzalez <
>>>>>>> patricia.hidalgo.g at berkeley.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The ones confirmed for today are: Pedro, Kenji and me? We can go
>>>>>>>> over the next tasks and have a 30 min meeting instead.
>>>>>>>> Thanks for the updates Julia!
>>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>>> Paty
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Patr**i**cia Hidalgo-Gonzalez*
>>>>>>>> Assistant Professor, Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering
>>>>>>>> University of California San Diego
>>>>>>>> patricia.hidalgo.g at berkeley.edu
>>>>>>>> (Pronouns: She/Her/Hers)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 9:53 AM Julia Szinai <jszinai at berkeley.edu>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>> This meeting also fell off my calendar and I have a scheduling
>>>>>>>>> conflict now and can't make it.
>>>>>>>>> I can provide an email update:
>>>>>>>>> I'm close to finishing the scraping and data cleaning of the
>>>>>>>>> existing WECC generation projects and retirements to add for the baseline
>>>>>>>>> scenario in the database. This will update the composition of the existing
>>>>>>>>> fleet of generation projects to 2018 from the previous 2015 vintage, and
>>>>>>>>> reflects an increase of solar and battery capacity, and retirements of coal
>>>>>>>>> and other generation. I am completing some final checks and code
>>>>>>>>> improvements on some backup database tables before pushing the data to the
>>>>>>>>> original database tables.
>>>>>>>>> -Julia
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 7:34 AM Sergio Castellanos Rodriguez <
>>>>>>>>> sergioc at berkeley.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Pedro, Paty, Kenji,
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the reminder. I hadn't added this recurring meeting in
>>>>>>>>>> my calendar and now have a conflict with another commitment.
>>>>>>>>>> I know the storage issue with Notion is being addressed, but any
>>>>>>>>>> notes sharing from today's meeting will be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Also, it's settled that this will be our weekly time then? (so I
>>>>>>>>>> can add it on my calendar, or we can use a ldes-coremodel one)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> Sergio
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> PS. From my end, the only update is that thanks to Lars/Paty I
>>>>>>>>>> have now access to db2 and postgres. I would now only require access to the
>>>>>>>>>> WECC db/schema.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 8:24 PM Daniel M. KAMMEN <
>>>>>>>>>> kammen at berkeley.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sadly i'll miss the meeting due to a long conference tomorrow--
>>>>>>>>>>> but will catch up up with Paty and Kenji afterward
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> dan
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 7:00 PM Pedro Andres Sanchez Perez <
>>>>>>>>>>> psanchez30 at ucmerced.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a kindly reminder for tomorrows meeting at 11:00 AM for
>>>>>>>>>>>> the update about SWITCH and RESOLVE:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Here are some of the agenda for tomorrow.
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Status of SWITCH
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Status of Database
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Cost comparisson (Assign)
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Action items
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Anything else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Link to the meeting: https://ucmerced.zoom.us/j/98750319783
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pedro Andres Sanchez Perez
>>>>>>>>>>>> University of California, Merced
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> *Julia Szinai*
>>>>>>>>> PhD Candidate | Energy & Resources Group | University of
>>>>>>>>> California, Berkeley
>>>>>>>>> Graduate Student Researcher | Lawrence Berkeley National Lab
>>>>>>>>> NSF InFEWS Fellow
>>>>>>>>> Energy & Resources Group, MS '17
>>>>>>>>> Goldman School of Public Policy, MPP '17
>>>>>>>>> University of California, Berkeley
>>>>>>>>> jszinai at berkeley.edu
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